Comments on: Can the Hugo Awards Recover Their Credibility? https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/ ARC Book Reviews and Author Services Sun, 01 Sep 2024 22:00:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: htom trites https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-905845 Sun, 01 Sep 2024 22:00:41 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-905845 There time (roughly 1960-1995?) that I read every Hugo nominee, and bought most nominees. I slowly stopped. Too many “clunkers”, people preaching with what I thought of as poor story telling and improbable world building. I saw “Sad Puppies” as a reaction to that, I’ll call it a “cultural shift”. The reaction to the Puppies … proved their claim. The Hugos are a fish flopping on the dock, now. I may read one, but that would be even though it was nominated, not because of it. Go, have your party.

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By: FFS, Just Grow Up Already https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-873804 Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:03:58 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-873804 In reply to Ginger.

This wasn’t an article; it was propaganda. Before writing this sycophantic nonsense, did you spend any time doing actual research into the people involved in the Sad Puppies campaigns? No, don’t bother to respond. It’s quite obvious you didn’t. Otherwise, you would’ve written a very different article that would in no way flatter anyone involved with the Hugos since then.

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By: Steve Davidson https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-872487 Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:58:31 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-872487 Its still wrong to conflate Chuck Tingle and that other pseudonym: Chuck is a much beloved member of the fan community, especially for his activism. Nominating Space Raptor was a deliberate ploy by the “puppies” to force voters to either endorse one of their nominations OR No Award the category and deny Chuck a possible win.

The pseudonym’s garbage was meant as another “poke in the eye”.

There’s no comparison to be had between an effective activist and an a-hole.

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By: Pixel Scroll 6/24/24 Doctor Who and the Scrolls of Pixeldon | File 770 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-872279 Tue, 25 Jun 2024 02:38:40 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-872279 […] ON THE INTERNET ACTUALLY CHANGED THEIR MIND! “Ginger” first published the error-riddled post “Can the Hugo Awards Recover Their Credibility?” on the Hidden Gems Book Blog in March. Chris Barkley recently noticed it began bombarding it with […]

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By: Pat Hauldren/PattyPulsar https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-871975 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:50:49 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-871975 How does a writer not make corrections in an article? News does it, magazines do it. Are you better than the “pros” or are you saying your work isn’t worth reading so why make corrections? Bad blogging. Everything we post on the internet lives a very long life (see the “Way Back Machine”). Talk about a shining example of infamous.

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By: Chris M. Barkley https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-871973 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:50:06 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-871973 In reply to Ginger.

Ginger:

I replied in such a disrespectful manner because I have been a member of the sf fandom community for 49 years and reading your article, which pepetuates myths, has falsehoods concerning the Hugo Awards and was just too painful to read or ignore.

Having and expressing an opinion is fine but you set yourself for failure when you display a shocking lack of knowledge about the subject you choose to write about.

And what’s most disturbing is your statement that, “I won’t correct mistakes after the fact because that’s like pretending they didn’t happen (and if you stick your name on something on the Internet, it deserves to remain there) so I’m sure other people will see my mistake, but hopefully comments like this provide context and accountability regarding it.”

Uh, no, I cannot agree with that assessment. Chengdu DID NOT hold two consecutive World Science Fiction Conventions in 2022-2023, Chicago was the site in 2022. Ray Bradbury DID NOT win the first Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1953, the late Alfred Bester did for the Demolished Man. Leaving “facts” like that hanging online make you look uninformed, silly and not very serious about your subject.

Not citing sources to bolster your opinion, such as the report I wrote with Jason Sanford, just makes matters worse.

Correcting your mistakes and owning up to them shows that you can take responsibility for them and shows that you, and those reading it can learn as well.

If you are unwilling to follow these few basis tenets of journalism or essay writing, I will kindly suggest you stick to writing romance novels…

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By: Lisa https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-871936 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:07:30 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-871936 In reply to Michael J. Walsh.

I suspect Nick is unaware that nominations for Hugos are drawn from the community – anyone who has a membership to the year’s WorldCon is eligible to submit nominations. Blind nominations are impossible given the mechanic of the awards.

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By: Steve Davidson https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-871909 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 14:14:32 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-871909 In reply to Ginger.

It’s a mistake not to include corrections in your original piece.

You use things like footnotes, parenthesis and brackets. Add a date. Stick a note at the beginning of the article stating that there were numerous FACTUAL ERRORS in the original article that have now been corrected (either inline or in footnotes).

Not noting these facts up front only helps to perpetuate the errors.

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By: Ginger https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-871841 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:02:55 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-871841 In reply to Chris M. Barkley.

Hi, Chris. Thank you for your comment. I made a couple of obvious mistakes in this article (like saying WorldCon had been held in Chengdu twice, when in fact it was merely the second time it had been held in Asia) and honestly, that’s an indictment of me trying to hastily cover what is actually a very complex and evolving issue.

In fact, I found your own report about it (which you wrote with Jason Sanford) a really phenomenal insight into the situation. I won’t correct mistakes after the fact because that’s like pretending they didn’t happen (and if you stick your name on something on the Internet, it deserves to remain there) so I’m sure other people will see my mistake, but hopefully comments like this provide context and accountability regarding it.

More so than that, however, I think the way I’d covered this topic was totally tone deaf to the wonderful authors who had legitimately won a Hugo award in 2023 – as if “it didn’t count.” The fact is, regardless of whether or not some authors were unfairly ineligible in 2023, or whether the voting for them had been nudged or influenced by voting blocks (like Chuck Tingle being a finalist in 2016 for “Space Raptor Butt Invasion”) they still write wonderful things that are worthy of recognition and respect.

The Hugo Awards are still the gold standard for writing science fiction and fantasy and what I wrote unfairly and callously detracted from that. It also makes me hypocritical. The other day, somebody was criticizing the fact that my 12-year-old took pride in reading a 6-book series of books about Boba Fett by saying “they’re only Star Wars books, they’re not REAL books” and I pointed out that the author, Terry Bisson, had won both a Hugo Award and a Nebula Award (the Star Wars franchise doesn’t screw around when they ask authors to write for them.) If the awards have “lost their credibility” why am I still using them as an example of the best in science fiction writing.

I don’t normally write “news” articles, since my wheelhouse is more about advertising and marketing, and in future if I do, I’ll be more diligent about what I commit to the page. I thank you and respect you for your criticism and will do better in the future.

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By: Elvi Dalgaard https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/can-hugo-awards-recover-credibility/#comment-871621 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 03:34:18 +0000 https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/?p=8505829#comment-871621 Where on earth did you get the idea that WorldCon (or “WonderCon” if you prefer) was held in Chengdu twice? Or that the 2023 Hugos have “no official winners”? Check your facts.

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